| Tue, Feb 2 2010 09:23am EST 1 |

lschiavell
1 Posts
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I am searching for my starter bike and saw a Johnny Pag at a show
this weekend...never heard of it but it seems like the right size
and fit for me. Any first hand info for me?
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| Thu, Feb 4 2010 03:12am EST 2 |

Daddy Makk
8 Posts
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Dude, you don't want to start on a chopper. That is not a rider
friendly set up to learn on. Best bet is something that has you in
an upright position with your feet underneath you. Learn on that
before trying something with the front end raked out.
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| Thu, Feb 4 2010 03:13am EST 3 |

Daddy Makk
8 Posts
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Unless you're looking at that FX 3
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| Thu, Feb 4 2010 09:48am EST 4 |

mrlmd
42 Posts
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A few questions need to be answered first before you can get any
advice about a starter bike -
Have you taken an MSF or BRC course yet?
How old, are you, what's your height and weight?
What do you intend to use the bike for?
At any instructional course there are usually a few different
brands of bike, mostly small street bikes/cruisers (Suzuki GZ250,
Honda 250 Rebel, Yamaha 250 Virago and the like), and maybe a few
different styles, like a dual purpose bike put into the mix. You
may be able to try them all out. They are usually small
displacement, like 250cc, which is perfectly adequate for a starter
bike, rather than 750cc+ machines.
Your first bike will not be your last, and you need to get
something that fits you, fits your intended use, is not too much to
handle, something reliable that you can ride for a year and gain
experience with and then move up to something else, possibly larger
and more powerful and maybe a different style. Do NOT get a high
powered sport bike to start with, or that may very well be your
first and last bike.
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| Thu, Feb 4 2010 01:35pm EST 5 |

Daddy Makk
8 Posts
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Good advice from mflmd
Take a rider course and never buy too much bike.
My first street bike was a 1982 Honda CB450 Hawk and it had more
than enough power to exceed my abilities for a year or 2 but more
than enough power to take on the highway and that was with approx
43 hp
It was almost 3 yrs before I made the jump to a 750cc
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| Fri, Feb 5 2010 03:41pm EST 6 |

2Wheeltips
38 Posts
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mrlmd and Daddy Makk are absolutely correct.
One of the reasons 2wheeltips.com exists is to help new riders
avoid the mistakes we've all made due to the lack of good
information. mrlmd is right when he says a sport bike may be your
first and last bike. Know why? Because it is way too much bike for
a new rider and you will end up getting seriously hurt or dead. It
happens all day long.
Go to any news website and search for motorcycle. 8 out of the 10
articles will be about someone dying, or getting hurt really bad in
an accident. And.......it will probably be someone under 30 on a
sport bike.
I'm not trying to scare you or get you to buy a pink scooter or
some little underpowered electric thingy with flowers and pictures
of hippies on it. But to paraphrase what "daddy" and "mrlmd"
said...."you got to crawl before you can walk."
1. Take a class. Everyone that rides something takes a class
(pilots, tank drivers, truck drivers, farm equipment drivers)
2. Get something you can learn on and leave the huge choppers,
1500cc v-twin and super bikes for later. As a newbie you do not
have the abilities to handle those bikes no more than a 16 year old
can handle a ferrarri. If you are looking at a "sport bike" or
"standard bike" there are some with less than 500cc's that you can
handle. For V-twins, I'd say keep it under 750cc's. The upside is
there are always new people coming out of motorcycle class every
year looking for those bikes and you can easily sell it (even in
this market) to another newbie.
3. After you get your license and bike you got to practice. Go find
a parking lot somewhere and practice all of the stuff you learned
in class until you get sick of it. And after you recover from your
illness, get back on and practice some more until you get sick of
it again. Wash rinse and repeat until you are able to control the
bike without freezing up. Remember it is your backside out there on
the road and if you don't know even the most basic handling skills,
how are you going to get out of the way of that 18 wheeler that is
merging into your lane or that stupid chick who is putting on
makeup while trying to drive?
4. Find some people who know how to ride and ask to tag along with
them. You will learn tons from watching.
5. Keep coming back here and keep asking these types of questions.
mrlmd and "daddy" have given you some excellent info and I suggest
you make them your friends so you can ask them more
questions.
Just my 2 pesos
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| Fri, Feb 5 2010 03:52pm EST 7 |

2Wheeltips
38 Posts
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Oh...and to add something to what "daddy" said.
My first bike was a 1300cc Honda VTX. Guess what? Way way way
way......to much bike. It scared me too many times to count and
took me about 2 1/2 years to really enjoy what it had to offer. I
was intimidated by the size (640lbs dry) and the power. I wish I
would have gotten a smaller bike first.
Then thinking that I was the man, I went out and got a 2007 Yamaha
FJR 1300 because I figured that "I was ready". Guess what?? Same
thing.......too much freaking bike.....even with 30 months of
experience. Has more hp than some small cars and can easily(and
quickly) reach 130mph with a passenger and 50lbs or luggage.
So take it from those who have been there. Start small, work your
way up.
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| Sun, Feb 28 2010 01:16pm EST 8 |

Reggie
9 Posts
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All of the info in the previous responses to your question are
excellent. The only thing I would add is consider buying a used
bike versus new. The depreciation on a new bike is awful and as you
would want to upgrade as your riding skills improve, you don't want
to take a several $1,000 hit, or more, each time. The other
advantage is buying used with a few scratches and dings won't make
you so concerned about the possibility of dropping the bike which
goes with the learning process. Reggie
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| Mon, Mar 1 2010 08:30am EST 9 |

april
1 Posts
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As a new rider I have very little advice, however I regret not
listening to my MSF instructor who told me not too buy too much
bike. After months of looking I got a great deal on a 2004 HD
sportster in mint condition. I am 5'8" 150 lb lots of guys said
that was a good fit and it is a comfortable bike and It fits me
well however.... In one month I have dropped it 4 times and
overshot a turn which put me into a sign post. Now my bike has a
dent and I am bruised.
Now I am a statistic, Im still riding.
Signed Pride cometh before the FALL.
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| Tue, Mar 2 2010 07:08pm EST 10 |

Carol
42 Posts
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Hi, April...which Sportster did you buy? Is it the 1200 or the 883?
Just wondering. I'm not surprised that you were sold more bike than
you should have started with...seems not to be an uncommon
occurrence!
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